Super physicality + sexuality of superheroes in comics + on screen: yea or nay?
#21
I think, to some extent, fans crush on characters more than the actors who play them, when they're turned into films.

For me, I really dig Slik Spectre II from Watchmen. Although Malin Akermen is certainly attractive, her superheroine alter ego ranks much higher on my 'Alternate Universe Wishlist'.

I've heard a couple guys say that about Elektra, as well. They had more of a hankering for the character than for Jennifer Garner.

I do know that many women were enamored with Vincent from 'Beauty and the Beast', but not so much for Ron Perlman who played him.

Scfi/Fantasy is rife with unrequited crushes. People tend to pine for those beloved superpowered significant others.

You know, like those goobers who jones for Boomer and Faith? Sheeessssh!!!:roll:
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#22
august Wrote:I'm thinking WW with the over-voluptuousness started with George Perez in the 80's, right?
I'd say that's a good guess. Terry Dodson drew her probably a good deal more voluptuous than Perez ever did, but she's fairly proportionate. In other words, he draws her as a big woman, not just a woman with big breasts.

Quote:...Like a scene in Linda Lee's high school girls' locker room, with about a dozen girls just barely wearing towels....

...It was basically soft-core porn, except everyone kept their clothes on, and nothing happened except she made out with the guard.

Pretty much every title at Image Comics in the 90s was packed full of that kind of stuff every issue. And there was no shortage of it at Marvel and DC, either. It was generally a *little* more toned down at the big two, since they had some kind of reputation to maintain, I suppose. Or just had more professional people working for them. That's what I meant when I said I think the worst has past, because there's not nearly as much of it any more. I'm not familiar with the comics you specifically mentioned, but it's disappointing that a mainstream DC comic would stoop that low.

It's just lazy and unnecessary. The comics of the late 60s to the late 80s didn't have that sort of thing, and they were better by leaps and bounds. Although I'm sure most people would disagree with me on that. :bg:
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#23
EDSEL_PK Wrote:I think, to some extent, fans crush on characters more than the actors who play them, when they're turned into films.

Scfi/Fantasy is rife with unrequited crushes. People tend to pine for those beloved superpowered significant others.

That's a great point, and I agree with you completely.
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#24
Boomstick Wrote:there was no shortage of it at Marvel and DC, either. It was generally a *little* more toned down at the big two, since they had some kind of reputation to maintain, I suppose. Or just had more professional people working for them. That's what I meant when I said I think the worst has past, because there's not nearly as much of it any more. I'm not familiar with the comics you specifically mentioned, but it's disappointing that a mainstream DC comic would stoop that low.

Well I gather ever since the mid-80's, when "traditional" comics sort of went out of existence, i.e. things that 8-year-olds could buy for a quarter or 50 cents at the grocery store, and they movied to... what were they called? The $2 and $3 heavy-stock comics that were available mainly in specialty stores? Anyway, when those became the norm, for whatever reason the sexuality thing went crazy, presumably since they felt they were being bought mainly by adults anyway. I had outgrown comics by then, but I had a younger roommate who was hugely into them, and so by transference I got back into them, things like Dark Knight, Watchmen, the Titans, etc.

Now it does seem like they're going with a softer depiction, and I'm guessing in part to tie in with all the Cartoon network series versions that are so successful. LIke with the Titans now all looking about age 15, instead of Dick Grayson and Kory having these fairly graphic love scenes. That reminds me, I need to do a separate thread about the artist I met last month, Sanford Greene - ever sen his work?

Quote: The comics of the late 60s to the late 80s didn't have that sort of thing, and they were better by leaps and bounds. Although I'm sure most people would disagree with me on that.

My guess is that we all remember the "best" as whenever we first got into comics, so here, Miichael, RR, Edsel and I are all going to agree with you totally, just since we grew up in that era.
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#25
august Wrote:Well I gather ever since the mid-80's, when "traditional" comics sort of went out of existence, i.e. things that 8-year-olds could buy for a quarter or 50 cents at the grocery store, and they movied to... what were they called?
I grant you, it's a bit silly for me to offer an opposing view point here, since you're older than me, none the less:

"Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" weren't the standard, monthly comics, so they had a lot more freedom in the violence and sex areas, I think. I'd suggest that the change didn't happen in all the mainstream, monthly titles until the early/mid-90s.

Quote:Now it does seem like they're going with a softer depiction, and I'm guessing in part to tie in with all the Cartoon network series versions that are so successful.
That's likely part of it, although, generally they have tie-in comic books to the cartoon network series' that are aimed at children. I think the other part of it is that there has been a real attempt to return to stronger writing. Also, many of those hack artists just fell away because they weren't professional enough to cut it in comics (Joe Mad) while some put a real effort into improving their art and worked hard to get back to the top of the pile (Tony Daniel).

Quote:My guess is that we all remember the "best" as whenever we first got into comics, so here, Miichael, RR, Edsel and I are all going to agree with you totally, just since we grew up in that era.
I agree with you, although I got into comics in the 90s, so that period was "mine." Being the obsessive kind of fan, I always wanted to know more, so as I branched out into what had come before I found I enjoyed it more. Again, I'm probably in the minority there. :bg:
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#26
august Wrote:That reminds me, I need to do a separate thread about the artist I met last month, Sanford Greene - ever sen his work?
Just googled him, and yeah, I have! Wasn't aware of him, but I've seen some of his art before. Incidentally he draws a pretty mean Wonder Woman! :clap:
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#27
Boomstick Wrote:I grant you, it's a bit silly for me to offer an opposing view point here, since you're older than me, none the less:

"Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" weren't the standard, monthly comics, so they had a lot more freedom in the violence and sex areas, I think. I'd suggest that the change didn't happen in all the mainstream, monthly titles until the early/mid-90s.

No I'm sure you're right, since my memory is clouded by that being 20 years ago, and the comic craze was my friend's more than mine. And if you recall earl/mid-90's for the mainstream comics going sexy, and I recall the ....were the called "specialty comics?" anyway, things like the Titans (as opposed to JLA or Batman for example that were cheaper and printed on "normal" paper) were going sexy in 1990... then we're basically saying the same thing. Smile

He moved in with his girlfriend in summer of 1990, so my supply of free comics was cut off. (Ironically, I see their son in bars with a fake ID nowadays :laugh: ) But coincidentally that was when Next Gen was just getting good, and SciFi Channel was only 2 years away.
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#28
I've always had an aspiration to create my own superhero 'verse, with characters that I've created, but never found a home for.

My take on the genre -- subgenre, if you will -- is darker than some would like. Think of 'X-Men' meets 'X-Files'.

The life of a caped crusader, almost assuredly, would be messed up. You lead a double life, you have to lie to everyone you care about. You sneak around constantly, bashing heads of evil-doers, taking your own lumps in kind. And through it all...you're alone.

That's where Ben Affleck's 'Daredevil' earned many points with me. We really got a taste of the torment the guy went through, emotionally and physically, to live his convoluted life. 'Watchmen' did, as well, but spent more time dealing with neuroses and megalomania than true heroism.

I thought it would be funny if there was a superhero who embraced his notoriety in the same way a rock star or pro athlete would...groupies, paparazzi, tabloid headlines, the works.

Captain Victory (possibly the younger bro of Major Victory) thwarts a gang of bank robbers with brutal-but-magnificently-heroic style as his deeds are captured by security cams, cell phones, and digital cameras by the score.
Reporters arrive on the scene to interview him, just the police cart away the baddies.

As he autographs anything and everything his adoring fans offer him -- handkerchiefs, notebooks, cleavage...whatever...he mugs for the TV camera and answers rapid-fire questions.

And then things went sideways...

[SIZE="3"]Reporter:[/SIZE] "So, Captain, there are rumors that award-winning actress UNNAMED HOTTIE is carrying your child. How does that factor into your Father's Day plans?"

[SIZE="3"]Victory:[/SIZE] "Huh? What? I don't get what you're saying."

[SIZE="3"]Reporter[/SIZE]: "Are you denying it's your child?"

[SIZE="3"]Victory:[/SIZE] "Who's UNNAMED HOTTIE?"

A snake in a three-piece suit walks in, and hands him a document.

[SIZE="3"]Snake:[/SIZE] "Mister Victory, I represent ANONYMOUS THUG #5, and hereby serve you with a summons. My client is suing you for damages due to injuries he sustained when you tossed him through the window of the bank was he was falsely-accused of robbing."

[SIZE="3"]Victory:[/SIZE] "But I...I...I..."

A superhero's life would be insane, if it were portrayed 'realistically' within the constraints of our own wacky world.
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#29
All your base are belong to us.

It could be that the purpose of my life is only to serve as a warning to others.
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#30
I recall there was a lot of buzz about the Huntress from the short-lived TV series 'Birds of Prey'. Critics felt that Ashley Scott's original costume was too racey for primetime.

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There's a touch of cleave present, but it's hardly R-rated. They changed it to something more contemporary. I don't think it was a tamer outfit, and I never quite understood the static it caused.

Ashley is made that way. She's one of those gals who could put on a dingy T-shirt, and a pair of worn jeans and still turn heads. The Huntress character was one of the sexier figures in comicdom, not unlike her mom, Catwoman.

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#31
I had the hots once for Superman and Batman once.
Don't insult the precious, my precious!:book:
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#32
badlands Wrote:I had the hots once for Superman and Batman once.

What? No Martian Manhunter?:anxious:
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