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    Thread: Rings of Power
Post: RE: Rings of Power

And the literary license excuse cuts little water with me. They can’t retell the LOTR or TH. That doesn’t mean that they have to directly contradict them. An internally consistent tale of the Second A...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 22 760 October 14th, 2022, 11:09 PM
    Thread: Rings of Power
Post: RE: Rings of Power

(October 6th, 2022, 09:14 PM)Michael Wrote: I haven't watched it past the 5th episode. I'll finish watching the show but I'm not sure my wife will. Because the franchise is based on a literary lice...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 22 760 October 14th, 2022, 10:45 PM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 13th, 2022, 11:53 AM)gzhindra Wrote: I see your points, but i think the Elves of Eregion had a more long term focus. They did not have any enemies at the time, but Middle earth is dangerous...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 14th, 2022, 08:09 PM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 6th, 2022, 08:56 PM)Michael Wrote: It reads as two curses to me. The first part is the address to the House of Feanor and the second part is the address to all the Noldor. The Oath of Feano...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 7th, 2022, 11:41 AM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 7th, 2022, 06:51 AM)gzhindra Wrote: I think that the elves of Eregion wanted to do the same that the Noldor did when arriving in Beleriand. Establish permanent realms in Middle Earth and th...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 7th, 2022, 11:12 AM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 4th, 2022, 01:13 PM)Tar-Elenion Wrote: As Orodreth's son, his mother is a Sinda. Thus Gil-galad is born in Beleriand either way. "His children were Finduilas and Artanáro = Rodnor later ca...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 5th, 2022, 09:51 AM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 4th, 2022, 01:26 PM)ZehnWaters Wrote: I thin this was mostly just a reminder of what life was like outside of Valinor. Which is too bad as I think it was mostly done in gross negligence ...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 5th, 2022, 09:47 AM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

(October 4th, 2022, 10:38 AM)Tar-Elenion Wrote: Why do you think Gil-galad might fall under that interdiction? Under the same theory as Celebrimbor. We don’t know what culpability he might have had ...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 4th, 2022, 12:28 PM
    Thread: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?
Post: RE: Was Celebrimbor Dispossessed?

Quote: Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the mountains. On the House of Fëan...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 40 844 October 4th, 2022, 07:02 AM
    Thread: Elvish skin colour?
Post: RE: Elvish skin colour?

Gzhindra, you are confusing “Calaquendi” (elves of the Light) with “Eldar” (elves of the journey). Calaquendi were all Elves who actually completed the journey to Aman (with Elwe Thingol included in...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 11 353 October 3rd, 2022, 07:51 AM
    Thread: Rings of Power
Post: RE: Rings of Power

Mordy, while you’re absolutely correct that the Stranger being either Gandalf or Sauron is wildly anachronistic, the show runners have already made an absolute hash out of the timeline by conflating C...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 22 760 October 3rd, 2022, 07:35 AM
    Thread: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overthrow the U.S. Government
Post: RE: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overt...

What is sad is that this is just another step towards the coming civil war. I do t want it to happen, but I see it coming nonetheless. I pray every day that I’m misreading the signs, but I do t think ...
Bacchus Politics 7 568 January 28th, 2022, 03:39 AM
    Thread: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overthrow the U.S. Government
Post: RE: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overt...

Let’s openly debate a few things, MM. Your slur of the Koch’s is absolutely out of bounds, and I’d have sanctioned you as moderator of this board if you didn’t outrank me. Reducio ad Hitlerem is below...
Bacchus Politics 7 568 January 28th, 2022, 03:29 AM
    Thread: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overthrow the U.S. Government
Post: RE: The Current Theory of How Trump Tried to Overt...

Yikes. Ok, MM, I’ve known you for a couple of decades, so this isn’t the first time we’ve clashed in opinion. Trump was a buffoon. I’ve voted for exactly one Democrat in my entire voting life (34 ye...
Bacchus Politics 7 568 January 28th, 2022, 03:10 AM
    Thread: Why did a lot of elves leave Middle Earth at the end ?
Post: RE: Why did a lot of elves leave Middle Earth at t...

(January 27th, 2022, 11:35 PM)badlands Wrote: Was there a real reason besides their time in Middle Earth had ended? That’s actually a very fascinating question once you think about it a bit. All of ...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 3 442 January 28th, 2022, 02:44 AM
    Thread: Amazon Middle-earth TV Show News
Post: RE: Amazon Middle-earth TV Show News

(January 26th, 2022, 01:50 AM)Michael Wrote: For the 5 people on Earth who missed it. [Video: http://Amazon trailer and title reveal: ... of Power"] What’s really funny is that I was one of th...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 37 7,437 January 28th, 2022, 02:28 AM
    Thread: The apocalypse is upon us
Post: The apocalypse is upon us

…with this pathetic attempt at Tolkien based crypto https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/n...tocurrency
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 2 563 November 29th, 2021, 03:13 PM
    Thread: Amazon Middle-earth TV Show News
Post: RE: Amazon Middle-earth TV Show News

Here’s another story that might raise some eyebrows. https://micky.com.au/lord-of-the-rings-f...ordinator/
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 37 7,437 May 15th, 2021, 08:25 AM
    Thread: Sauron on a fell beast
Post: RE: Sauron on a fell beast

My hypothesis is that Sauron could still “walk unclad” even after Akallabeth. Evidence: we know that he was rendered discarnate by the Akallabeth, and that it took him a very long time to be able to...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 15 2,698 February 6th, 2021, 09:43 AM
    Thread: Sauron on a fell beast
Post: RE: Sauron on a fell beast

(February 4th, 2021, 12:01 AM)Alvin Eriol Wrote: Maybe 2 can carry him on a line between them....? Just what is the airspeed of an unladen fell beast, anyway? African or European?
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 15 2,698 February 4th, 2021, 12:13 AM
    Thread: Lugburz
Post: RE: Lugburz

(January 22nd, 2021, 12:14 AM)Michael Wrote: I don't believe Tolkien established anything as the official name for Sauron's seat of power. He didn't allow his servants to use his, name according to ...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 8 1,427 February 2nd, 2021, 05:21 PM
    Thread: The mouth of Sauron's horse
Post: RE: The mouth of Sauron's horse

Theoretically possible, but I judge it unlikely. The earliest conception of dragons in BOLT was as mechanical creations used in the attack on Gondolin, so it is at least within the realm of possibil...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 11 1,537 February 2nd, 2021, 11:15 AM
    Thread: The mouth of Sauron's horse
Post: RE: The mouth of Sauron's horse

Interesting. My first thought was that I didn’t recall anything to suggest that the Mouth’s mount was anything but a natural horse, but checking the text, I saw this. Quote: ...there rode a tall and...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 11 1,537 February 2nd, 2021, 09:22 AM
    Thread: Why Did Not Elrond Do the Right Thing?
Post: RE: Why Did Not Elrond Do the Right Thing?

It is not at all obvious that Elrond would have been able to defeat Isildur in combat. Attempting to do so and failing would likely be a far worse option than allowing Isildur to keep the Ring for now...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 9 1,513 January 3rd, 2021, 09:47 AM
    Thread: Did Sam consider suicide?
Post: RE: Did Sam consider suicide?

Well, there’s a difference between considering suicide and seriously considering suicide. Clearly, he considered it, but immediately dismissed the idea out of hand.
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 5 1,104 December 22nd, 2020, 12:08 PM
    Thread: Why did Boromir travel alone?
Post: RE: Why did Boromir travel alone?

(December 16th, 2020, 11:16 AM)Michael Wrote: Aragorn traveled alone. Gandalf traveled alone. I don't think solo travel is that exceptional in Tolkien's fiction. Neither of these comparisons strik...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 19 2,376 December 17th, 2020, 11:14 AM
    Thread: Why did Boromir travel alone?
Post: RE: Why did Boromir travel alone?

Yes, I’m aware that there is presented an internal explanation for Boromir to undertake the envoy, but I find it to be weak for the reasons I posted above. Regarding a bodyguard, again there is litt...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 19 2,376 December 15th, 2020, 11:02 AM
    Thread: Why did Boromir travel alone?
Post: RE: Why did Boromir travel alone?

(December 6th, 2020, 09:45 PM)Mordomin Wrote: It makes me wonder how many previous times Boromir had over-ridden the will of his father and the elders.  Perhaps the nature of the character of Boromi...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 19 2,376 December 10th, 2020, 11:02 AM
    Thread: Being a Ringwraith
Post: RE: Being a Ringwraith

Heh. In over 20 years on these forums, that has to be the fastest you’ve ever conceded one of my contentions. :)
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 48 9,996 December 6th, 2020, 09:40 AM
    Thread: Why did Boromir travel alone?
Post: RE: Why did Boromir travel alone?

I’ll grant the dream argument up to a point. One of the two brothers should have gone. I maintain, however, that the decision to send Boromir over Faramir makes no sense to the internal context of the...
Bacchus J.R.R. Tolkien and Middle-earth 19 2,376 December 6th, 2020, 02:11 AM